Advice

Like must guys on here i have wanted to watch my wife with another guy for years.

I told her about this about 5 years ago and it has become a bigger and bigger part of our fantasise ever since.
She loves to here about how some guy will tease her by running his fingers up her legs and brush over her pussy, how he will lick her cunt and fuck her hard. This has got to the point where after a few minutes of playing with her pussy she will say “have you been wanking this week, what were you thinking of?

As soon as I mention some other guy she sighs and squirms and cums hard in s few minutes.

So anyway I keep telling her I want to watch her fuck another guy and quite often she will tell me to sort it out, but I think she says it more to turn me on than mean it.

Last week while playing with her pussy I said “you want another guys cock don’t you why don’t you admit it”. She said yes I do but you can’t tell us what to do it’s up to us, no matter what he wants to do you just have to watch and film the whole think, so we can watch it back later and you can fuck me from behind while I watch some strange cock fuck me to orgasm again and again……

Shot my load in seconds!

The following weekend in bed on the Friday night (I should explain I work away from home) she asked me why I was so randy, I told her about what she had said the weekend before and how much it had turned me on, I loved the idea of her fucking some other guy and me just having to watch and not interfere.
She came!
The next morning I dragged her back to bed, she again asked why I was so randy, I told her she had turned me on so much I had been speaking to 2 guys online who wanted to fuck her.
She asked me to describe them which I did one Italian and one English both with big cocks, sh asked what they would do to her, so I started to tell her how they would lick her pussy and slip their cocks inside her, she said “I want to meet one tonight I want him to fuck me hard” I explained thy were both away “I need their cocks tonight” I explained the only guy I could get was black and she came big time. She then dragged me on top to fuck her I said “no you’ll have to wait for some back cock tonight” she said not black but did not say no to white cock. I only lasted a few seconds to her disapproval.
I then asked her if she wanted to see pictures of the 2 guys, “go on then she said” I pulled the website up showing her pictures, she said the Italian guy was to big and would hurt, but did not make any comment about the other guy until she started to read the emails we had send each other with describing how he would love to fuck my wife.
I went to the loo and left her to read on for about 15 minutes. When I came back she said she was bored as she could only read on side of the conversation at a time.
We went out for the day and that night while watching telly she kept coming over to me with a big smile on her face to tease me and to see if I was still randy. She got takes and fell arelax.
Next morning while she was arelax I started to play with her pussy, this lead to another session with her saying she thought I liked the idea in fantasy but reality would be different as I would not be able to control the situation and what happened if he feel for her and found out where she lived, after all I was away working all week and wouldn’t know if she had been fucking.
(In one of his emails he had said how he would like to take into his room shut the door and fuck her all night while just has to listen at the door. He would wake her up and fucker her again and again.) She refered to this by saying “what if he took me into a room and fucked me with the door closed would you like that?” I said I could still here her cuming but I would prefer to watch “ahh she said” but did not finish the statement.
“I might enjoy it more than you think, what if I want another guy and another, how would you feel about that?”
“ we have a lot to loose I need you over the next few months because of things that are going on at work, you may not look at me in the same way”
I kept playing with her pussy and reassuring her everything would be fine, I loved her and wanted to see her fucked.
She again asked what he would do to her I told her he had send another email detailing how he would meet us in a bar and then get in the back of my car as I drove them to his house. He would tease her pussy with his fingers, “what would you do “ I asked.
“Suck his cock”
I slide up the bed and put my cock in her mouth, she sucked me like she had never sucked my cock before and I came in 30 seconds while she came on her fingers
That was Sunday
I have been away from home since and spoke to her tonight, she confessed she was very randy, I asked her why and she dais what you said at the weekend, I can’t get it out of my mind, I asked if she was working the weekend in 2 weeks and she said yes. I said that’s a pity I might have wanted to take you somewhere. I can rearrange it she said………..
So my question is do you think she is ready or is she worried about our relationship

After 5 years of build I'd say she's probably wondering if you're ever going to set it up Go on - give her a treat!!

Of course she's worried about your relationship, but that is where you need to convince her this is something you 'really' want also. I agree, after 5 years, she's probably thinking this is going to stay a fantacy.

I have been talking to some guys on a swingers web site and I showed her an emailone of the guys had sent to her for her to reply. after some pushing see replied to him but he was not there last night.

He did reply this morning and I have just noticed she ha logged onto the website persumably to answer him. I am over 150 miles away from her at home, I wonder what she is saying.........

God this is so hornyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy

Wanttowatch, sounds like it's 'witching hour' for you and your soon-to-be Hotwife!!!..... Here's my two cents having been there... after years of chatting and hot times imagining the fun... do what I did... let it happen the way it works for THEM.... don't get all annoyed if it doesn't to according to what you imagined or hoped for.. My guess is that he will want her to himself the first time (unless he is experienced with mfm's ) and if you make sure she understands you are all about HER having a hot time and wanting to share details together later... then it will happen for sure! (from what you describe, she is ready!) Shift the emphasis to how much fun and intimate it will be to share the after-the-fact and not on you watching (back burner that).. You will get to do that at some point if you give her this freedom.. It worked for me, I was full of angst when she drove off to 'get it over with during a lunch date and when she came back looking radiant and freshly fucked, I kept her in the bedroom all afternoon and evening!!... and for us we ended up enjoying mfm's with the first guy for several years... Good Luck!

Don

Thanks Don for the advice, it's really good to get sound advice from a fellow Hubby.

She has mentioned about having sex with him in another room while I listen next door and secretly I think this is what she would prefer.

The have been messagng each other last night and tonight but only got to chat online tonight for about an hour. He was very slow replying (assume he was talking to someone else), she was very slow also but I thnink that wa because she was wanking.

transcript of ther conversation

Hi there,
I hope you're well and looking forward to meeting me?
Maybe you could come dressed in a business suit, white blouse, dark pencil skirt, stockings, little lacy thong, matching bra.
We would meet somewhere near where I live, we meet in the car park. I smile as I walk over to you, kiss you on each cheek and tell you that im pleased to meet you.
After I buy you a take we sit down start to chat, but I have other things on my mind, do you?
I lean over and say 'my cock is hard for you, would you like to feel it inside you'
How would you react?

I love to feel cock inside me but i am very new to this and very wary. I love the thought of another man touching and kissing me and teasing my body. I would be very excited and would want to get bck to yours to see if you really were hard for me!
F

Hi F,
I would love to be the guy that touches and kisses you, makes you want to get straight to my house where I can use my hands, lips and tongue to tease ever inch of your body.
Once your ready for me, I will plunge my hard, throbbing cock deep inside you!
Would you like that?
M x

Sounds good to me. Talk to me about what you would do to me to make me ready for your hard cock.

I would slide my hand between your legs, gliding it over your stockinged legs and towards your pussy.
As I look deep in to your eyes I would slide my fingers inside you, would you like that?
X

Yes i would like that, what would you do next to make me ready to take you?

WOW im so horny i keep thinking about our 1st meeting and what you say you want to do. my hubby is soooo keen to see us to the point he could not stop fucking me at the weekend lucky me i so need cock in me xx

I would pull my fingers out and slide them in my mouth to taste you. Don't forget, we are still in a bar as I'm just getting you worked up ahead of driving to my house.
What would you be wearing and how badly would you like my cock inside you?

Still debating what to wear but want your cock inside me very much. It sounds like you are going to tease me a lot if your going to get me that worked up while still in the pub!!!!
I want to lick your cock and fell you balls before sucking your cock before you go inside me is that ok with you?

It would be rude if I didn't let you take my cock and balls in your mouth!
What underwear would you wear?
After I've tasted your pussy I would lean over and kiss you, sliding my fingers back inside you. I want you to taste your pussy off my lips x

im so wet !!!!!
Whats your preference re underwear

Stockings or hold ups, ideally silk. Little thong I can easily move to one side....
What would you do if I whispered 'I want to fuck you' in your ear?

say yes please but id be wondering what you would feel like inside me

There is one way to find out, is it time to head to my house?

ohh yes.
Why silk stockings?

I like the feel of them, or very sheer stockings!
Would you get in to my car to drive back to mine, while your husband follows

Where do you like the feel of them? your legs your arse your cock?
Are you a safe driver!!!! Even if distracted? Is the journey far?

I like running my hands, lips, tongue and cover over them.... Best bit though is when I hit naked flesh at the top of them..
I'm a very safe driver, what do you have in mind?

I may have to put my hand across to see how turned on you are and have a fell through your trousers.
What happens at the house?

I might have to push you up against the wall when we walk in to my house and kiss you passionately x

mmmm that sounds good you sound like you would be turned on .
Would your cock be straining to get out or would i have to wait xx

I think I might have to give you a taste of my cock... I pull you down on to the floor, pulling your skirt up at the same time... I spread your legs wide and kneel between them. X

to do what? i hope your not going to fuck me that quickly i want to savour everything

Oh no, I'm going to slide my cock deep inside you so you can feel it inside you....I will then pull it out and take you to my bed x

To do what to me

To slowly undress you, run my lips, tongue and cock over every inch of your body till your begging me to fuck you

Might take a while to run over my tits
will you make me beg to feel the length of your cock inside me

Do you think she is ready or just messing?

Do you think she wants me to watch or not?

No body has any advice for me

She is ready, she wants you to give her privacy the first (possibly few) time(s) till she gets up the nerve to expose you to something that scares her.

you might be write but i want to watch!

Who would blame you for insisting on watching, lol, but clearly thats a big step for her.. How about YOU setting up a video camera that they both know is for your pleasure... Remember it's just a step towards you watching it all in permister!

I've listened in the next room to my wife play and that is also a mind-bender. But visuals are awesome! The camera would not be as intimidating or distracting as a hubby would be..

Wanttowatch- here is the truth. I've done this with one wife, one girlfriend, and I'm in the middle of doing it with my new wife (the army is hard on wives- the lifestyle isn't): Truth time:
You may not get to watch the first time!!
I know- it's fucking *******ing you- it would be so epic to see the first cock after yours enter her mouth, or her pussy.
But, I got bad news- women just don't like to show themselves like guys want them to. It's been the same with every woman in my life- I've NEVER gotten pics of the first time. It sucks- but, you gotta do what you can to keep the talking going- you can get some pretty awesome memory descriptions from her, if you keep yourself open about the lifestyle.
You can't be sad about this- if you miss the first cock, ok- at least she got it! If you get all sad about no pics, etc- she WON'T do it again!! You gotta let her have the experience for herself, just like a virgin- she will be nervous. After that- it will be easier for you to get pics.
If you can't handle that- go to a "spy" store- and get a reomte camera, or at least a voice-activated recorder, and record her first time that way, but NEVER get sad about not getting pics- she will think you are dissapointed, and she'll never do it again!

the only advice at all is to DO IT and let her fuck someone ASAP!!! Its crystal clear thats what you both want so do not hesitate!!

Thanks for the advice guys do you want me to tell you what happens on Saturday

Of course no, nobody is interested
That's a silly question, people might not answer, but I'd say there will be many people looking for the outcome! It must feel thrilling and funny after all these years...
Have a great week-end

What happens Saturday?- I'm all hard...ummm....Ears, I mean, ears- that's it....

I should explain I work away from home all week, so if this all goes ahead I am going to have to install a lot of trust in her.

Last night when i got home I slipped round the back of the house and saw her typing away on her laptop when I went to the front of the house and walked through to the back see quickly put the laptop away and was very red faced?

(I checked this morning after she had gone to work and her history said she was booking hotels near to his house)

Anyway she was all over me, slightly pissed off with him as he had not been online for 2 days, so the weekend fun may not take place :mad:

However she was desperate to be fucked, I tried to lick her pussy but she just wanted cock! she then admitted she had already wanked twice that day thinking of him, and twice the day before and three times the day before that. As far as I was aware she never did this before the last 10 days, but she now claims she wanks her pussy more often than I realised.

She said how desperate she was to get really fucked as i only lasted 90 seconds. We talked for another 1 hour and then went to bed where she begged me to fuck her again. She told me she wanted to be fucked tonight (friday) and if she liked it she wanted to be fucked again on saturday not necessarily by the same guy??

She didn't want black or Asian cock but wanted someone who would licked sucking pussy and i have to sort it fr tonight.

Often in the night I would be woken by her stroking my balls or squeezing my ass.

She really is on heat, like I have never known, I really can't see her backing out now, what do you think?

Very hot story! Your wife is in heat and ready to let lose, let her have all the freedom she needs and see where it takes you. Keep us posted on how everything is going.

Keep the communication open. She shouldn't be shutting down the computer and be "red-faced" when you come in. It would be better if she showed you what she is doing, or wanking to!! Don't let her get "red-faced"- tell her you know what's up (don't tell her you spied on her from the back-yard- she will get mad). Tell her you like what she is doing, and she should tell you about all of it: The more she hides, the less she will do, and the less she will share with you!!
The more she shares, the more you both get off- you will just need "practice" to get the staying power with the new fantasy-life. (Don't worry- it gets easier. For a while- I couldn't even get off unless my girl sucked off someone else!)

Well, no update since friday...

How did the week-end go, I believe there must be quite interesting or exciting situations or talks to report, and lots of guys & girls waiting around here

Well....I need you all to read to the end, as I now really do need advice as i am totally confused??????
Friday – spend most of the day looking for new Studs as the original guy who I’m sure she would have fucked has disappeared and we have not heard from him again (pist off at him).
Found a few other guys and homed it down to one, he said he was busy with mates Friday night and Saturday but may be able to get out of it. He asked if he could see a pictures of my wife but I told him I had agreed not to send any pics unless she agreed. Text my wife who was at work telling her I had found someone new for her to fuck but he wanted to see a picture. No reply, so waited for her to return from work which she told me that morning would be about 7.
5.30 she arrives home makes small talk for 5 minutes and then asks what does this guy look like?
Logged onto the site and showed her the emails from him, she said ok email him back but no photo’s “I don’t want anybody else getting photo’s of me online, I mean it.”
I told her she had to email him back and set it up for a reply. This brought up her phtoto’sI had loaded into a private file ready to send to an email recipient but were not visible by anybody else. She went mad and again told me she did not want anybody else seeing her pictures. I deleted the pictures in front of her and then set it up for her to reply to his email.
I left the room and went into the kitchen to give her some privacy. 10 minutes later she came into the kitchen and said “he wants to see some pictures can you download some for me” ???????? confused.
I downloaded some pictures and then said I was going to clean my car and disappeared for the next 45 minutes. Every 5 minutes or so I would sneak round the side of the house to see her typing away on the laptop.
45 minutes or so later I was talking to the neighbours when she appeared at the door and asked why I was cleaning the car, was it because I expect to be giving a left to someone in the back, musch to the amusement of my neighbours.
We went inside and I asked her what she wanted to do, she laughed and said nothing tonight, but I will tomorrow or I will never do it, anyway he has a meet tonight with another couple. It then turned out in my excitement I had misread his messages and he had said he was meeting a couple Friday night and a different one Saturday. (Fuck I thought she won’t go for a guy who is that active)
“but he does seem to be a caring guy from all those recommendations” she said
(I was glad she didn’t want to meet him that night as I was feeling very fatigued and not in the best of health.
She said she would have a shower and I took advantage and went downstairs to log on and read her messages to him. I logged on and stared to read.
She came racing down stairs having had her shower in record time telling me I could not read the emails and she wanted to go out.
We went out for a meal and I snuck off to the toilet to use my Iphone to log onto the site to read the email as this was driving me mad.
No reception!!!!
Went home watching the Olympics, logged into the site to see an email from him, she came over and sat by me asking to read his email, it said his couple had not turned up so he was free to meet, but it was now 11pm and we had both had a few takes and he lives 1 hour away.
Went to bed, she was as randy as hell, wanted me to finger her pussy and then stick my fingers in her mouth so she could taste her own pussy (never asked about this before, but this is what M has said he wanted her to taste), I then licked her and made her cum she begged me to fuck her but I said no as the next cock in her pussy would not be mine (She stuck her fingers in her cunt and came again).
Again all through the night she squeezed my arse and grabbed my cock and then turned over.
Next morning I wake up but she is down stairs, I then hear her coming up, she jumps into bed and says, I’m as randy as hell please make me CUM!!!!. She is soaking wet and cums in double quick time, she again begs me to fuck her but I again say mine will not be the next cock inside her pussy. Sh goes in the shower and I quickly grab my laptop and read the message which I downloaded, this is what the wrote on Friday night.
“Hello this is the wife. Im up for some naughty fun tomorrow if possible. Ive never done this before and a little nervous but I love sex and feel particularly horny at the moment.
hi there how are things panning out?
hello F nice to chat to you....I love sex too and nice to hear you are feeling very horny these days. Do you have a pic of you? Here are some of me. X
(Sent full clothed picture)

Oh thats a very nice photo...you would be a pleasure to have in the nude in my living room
That sounds good cant wait. I think clothes are overrated
They definately would be on you.....you are very welcome to come over whenever you are feeling randy for long rude nights....I can accomm no problem for as long a night as you like....I am very very randy and love the whole woman....love to eat her alive and make her juicy and gushing and love to fuck her like mad in all positions


(He then sent 4 pictures showing his 9inch cock either being sucked or fucking some women




WOW
ive come over all a quiver. Can we meet tomorrow i so badly need to be fucked

(She sent another picture)


well as i told your hubby I have another arrangement tomorrow with another couple but they may not turn up...some couples are unreliable....otherwise I can meet you next week for a long night of fucking. x
next week is not possible were busy all week let me know if you are let down tomorrow xx
ok will do...do you have a mobile number for me to text or do you want me to let you know on here? Xx
On here is fine. Heres hoping they cancel xx
ok well quite a few couples do especially when its their first time as the ones tomorrow are.
They have not been on for a couple of days which is always a bad sign lol! xx
XXX.
I went downstairs she seemed quite sheepish and then my man phoned to say he was ill could I call round to see him. I leave and return 3 hours later.
He has sent another email to say the second couple have not turned up (it is now 2pm) but he I going out at 6.
She now says she does not want to meet today and feels pressurised to meet, she just wants to feel my cock inside her.
I tell her I don’t want her to do anything she does not want to do but feel sure she would enjoy it. She admits she probably would, “but I’m not ready”
I decide to back off, She is still as randy as hell and I make her cum again, I slip my cock inside her but don’t cum. I decide to go out and get her some sex toys like those in the 50 shades book and ask her to come with me. She says no as she doesn’t trust me not to take her to this guys house and so she stays behind. I buy her some love eggs and a few other items and when I get back I put them in her pussy telling her we should go out to the local pub 1,000 yards up the road as sitting down will not give her the desired effect.
She puts on a maxi dress (I wanted her to wear a mini) and off we go and I’m pleased to say they start to work their magic teasing in her pussy. We both start to relax, I don’t feel so anxious and she starts to feel less pressured.
I go to the bar to buy our second take and when I came back she is talking to some guy, I not sure if it’s someone she knows so I excuse myself and go to the toilet. I then sneek outside to watch what she is up to from outside. They seem to be laughing and being very tactile with eah other then one f his mates sees me out side and I figure I should come in.
As I walk up to them she introduces me as her husband and says “he thinks I have beautiful eyes and wants to take me somewhere that will make them sparkle?”
I just laugh, the guy smiles at me shakes my hand and then completely ignores me while he continues to chat my wife up. After 15 minutes he finally moves away, we finish our takes and leave, she crosses the pub to say good bye to him he pulls her back twice feeling her arse and trying to give her his number (so she says).
Walking home she says she is really randy again and needs me to make her cum.
That night I made her cum 3 times but I could not get it up.
Sunday she wakes up as randy again and I make her cum again. Sunday night I pack to go back to work 150 miles away but take the love eggs with me as she is meeting me in London at the weekend and I think I will get her to wear them all day Saturday. She asks me to leave them behind so she can wear them on Wednesday, why Wednesday I ask “I only meant if I wear them on Wednesday they would have a better effect when I meet you on Saturday.”
“But you are working on Wednesday” I said
“yes yes I only used Wednesday as an example”
Monday morning I get up at 4, I go down stairs and while getting ready turn on her laptop and open the history files to find her entries on the website on the Friday night and spot the words bulk delete towards the end of their conversation.
Am I adding 1 and 1 and making 6 or does this all seem a bit fishy?
Does she just need space and it will happen in the future?
Would she react better to a chance meeting rather than a set up?
Is it normal for the bloke to feel unwell and unable to perform?
Sorry it’s a bit long but I really do need advice, so please help hope I haven’t bored you.

Sorry have I bored everyone?

Thank you for this detailed update, this was an hectic week-end !
I'd say lots of people lurking around wouldn't mind being in your shoes, even though it might feel quite confusing at times, as things in real life often do not work in a straightforward way, there are lots of ups and downs and people not showing up, or not when expected to
I do not have a huge experience myself, I would think that your wife is ready for it, and will make the 1st step soon, with or without you (she might feel less pressure doing it on her own for the 1st time, instead of having you behind her back adding some stress ; that does not mean she would not share it with you afterwards). It might be stress and emotions as well that made you unable to perform, it should come back soon!
Anyway, you need to trust her, be supportive, communicate, leave her a bit of space... and enjoy the moment and emotions

Well, there isn't too much advice around so far
Do you have any update following exchanges with your wife since you left? Today's Wednedsday, God knows what might be happening
Take care & good luck
TS

Be patient. The way things are going, it will happen. Don't push her. She seems like she's conflicted. She wants it, but is afraid to take the leap. But if you keep gently guiding her to the edge of the swimming pool, she'll jump in.

And it could happen with either the setup or with a chance meeting. So keep trying both.

But she needs to understand that you need to get something out of it, too. She either needs to let you watch/participate, or (if this works for you) have video cameras set up for you to enjoy video of it later.

I agree 100% with spooj, keep reassuring your wife and that will give the confidence to take the 'plunge'.

Update

Phoned her Wednesday on the house phone to check she was there, she answered but wanted to know why I phoned her on that phone and not the mobile. Our flower was at home Wednesday, so nothing happened.
Friday – she comes down to London and we meet with our youngren in Hyde Park to watch the Olympics, I ask her if she has the love eggs in her pussy, but she says no as she as didn’t want to be going through security have to explain why her pussy was setting off the metal detectors. Good point.

Saturday we get the day to ourselves as we have tickets for an Olympic event and are going out for a meal that night. When we get back to the hotel change we end up naked on the bed, she tells me I can wank her pussy but cannot fuck her till later. I eagerly start to finger her, she asks if I have been back on the site, I say no (not telling her I have checked it everyday to see if she has been on , which she has not). She says she is surprised as she thought I wanted to see her fucked. I tell her I do more than anything.

She then starts to recount our wedding day how we snuck off away from the reception to get fucked, how she kneeled down in her wedding dress and took my cock out and sucked it and how my cock got hard wayching her in her virginal white dress sucking my cock and licking my balls. How she bend over showing me her stockings and the fact she wasn’t wearing any knickers and I took my hard cock and fucked her hard from behind till I spunked inside her and how we then went back to the party with her dancing and my spunk running down her stockings.
We have both been married before and to hear her recount that day was a real turn on, the only thing was it wasn’t our wedding day she described????

We both got very takes that night and although we wanted to fuck we both feel arelax. Next morning I woke and started to play with her pussy again, she asked if I was going to fuck her as she needed to be fucked. While playing with her I asked if she had really wanted to fuck another guy.
“oh god yesssssss”
“which one the first one you messaged”
“Oh yes, he got me so hot I just wanted him to do all the things he had described, I wanted him to finger me in the pub like he promised, I wanted to suck his cock in the car”
“Whose car would you have been in”
“His, I wanted you to follow thinking I was just going to stroke his cock and then you would see my head bob up and down as I swallowed hic cock and took his spunk down my throat…I wanted to get inside his house and have him drag me to the floor when we got through the door and feel his cock inside me for the first time”
“Would you have let him pull out to tease you”
“No I wanted him to fill me with his spunk……I wanted to go into his room close the door so you had to listen at the door….I wanted to be woken up with his hard cock sliding inside me to fuck me again…GOD I Need his cock”

Is she just teasing me or does she really want to be fucked, I’m confused

Thank you again for your update, I think she's not teasing you and would love to go forward if the conditions are right, for example with the first guy, which she seems to fancy. Hopefully it won't be long, you need to discuss it again with her to confirm how you both would like to proceed
Good luck

First guy back on line tonight but he has not picked up her messages to him, here's hoping he does and answers

Thanks for the update, and good luck for the wait, hopefully things will progress over the next few days!

Wow, I just read your entire thread and it got me excited enough that I came too!

You're so close to finally both experience this and your best bet is to try and keep focused on finding the right guy. If you don't you'll run the risk that either of you may have an unpleasant experience and instead of you feeling cuckolded and her satisfied, either of you may end up with unwanted feelings. When the time is right and it's in the air it'll happen if your keep coursing it in the right direction.

I'm slowly introducing the idea to my girl so I admire how far you've come. Good luck and I'll continue I follow your thread.