Total Newbie with my Japan wife

wooha, yes I'm happy to say a bit more. However, I have to apologize to all the other CP members here, as my posts are now veering far from your core cuckold interests, you are genuinely into the activity and my posts have become seriously Off Topic, or even slightly .... Anti Topic, I apologize and won't comment further.

But since wooha asked about it I will say what I've done on my BYOB (Be Your Own Bull) project with my Japanese wife. Basically I got a bunch of books on YONI MASSAGE, how to learn, how to do, etc. and G SPOT MASSAGE.

I did this because I found that when I talked about all kinds of mysterious and amazing sex massage that a man, ANY man even me, could do for a woman, she got SUPER turned on, Niagra wet and came multiple times like an natural. Her reaction was far hotter than when I'd talked in the past about another man doing her. That Other Man thing seemed to turn her one, but I was finding that simply just TALKING about some kind of "super sex massage" even while only doing normal touching and sex, she freaked out much more than when I talked about another man. This sex massage talk I carefully couched as "permister neutral" that is, I didn't say who would do that to her, left it kind of vague whether that would be me or another man, a professional or a bull or what. Just left it vague.

Then, since she seemed much more into the idea of being super sex massaged more so than the whole bull/cuck thing. Everyone is different I suppose. I know that most of the partners of the men here are only turned on by the whole BULL/cuck thing, but by chance I happened to trigger what seems to be her deeper interest in pure sex pleasure alone.

For example, one entertaining and education book I got was Confessions of a Hollywood Tantra Masseur: The Untold Secret of the G-Spot Power by Jean-Claude Carvill. I'm not shilling or marketing here, I get no cut, don't even buy it, get it from the library for all I care. Or not. But this is an example of the kind of book that began to teach me.

So, no longer mentioning any kind of BULL/cuck thing or other man any more, after reading a couple of these books I started to - very subtly - without making a big production out of it, start to use the foreplay and setup techniques from these books. Not even the main action yet! But she would cum like a freaking BANSHEE every time, and screaming MY name and gripping me like she's never gonna let me go! I must say I was a bit surprised at the effect, but hey whatever works. And she was saying oh my god your touch is electric etc etc. Ha! And I hadn't even done the main stuff yet.

As I worked up to doing the main stuff, no longer talking about any Other Man thing whatsoever, just stroking in the right way and talking about HER only, she began to have multiple and continuous orgasms in every session and holding me SOO TIGHT and practically eating me alive and wanting my penis (without interest as to SIZE though I'm not bad as previously noted) instantly and totally filling her as long and as deep as possible.

Most recently I graduated (tried only once so far) to so called "A Spot" triggering (yeah I'd never heard of that either til I read these books) and she that one time so far went TOTALLY AND COMPLETELY INSANE (er, in a good way I mean but wow). She said she never came anything like that in her entire life couldn't have even IMAGINED it etc. She had stars all filling her eyes for hours afterward.

Now she treats me like a rock star and we never discuss Other Man thing any more.

I still have MUCH got learn. I'm sure many of the Bulls here could do better to her, maybe just with a quick insertion they'd send her much farther over the moon. But for the moment I'm pretty happy and after all, I've only read 2 of the dozen book I got... still in kindergarden!

So that's the quick sketch of my BYOB project so far. I know you guys are different no judgement at all, after all, I myself was toying seriously with that Other Man BULL/cuck thing so I totally understand. But so far I think I've found a better way for us, for now.

That's interesting feedback ! Much appreciated , definitely something ill look into permisterally- hopefully can achieve something to what you mentioned. Do let us know how your project goes as you progress! After all bull or not, we are all here to find ways and techniques to bring pleasure to the wife's or gfs. Bulls could freshen up their methods too.

Has there been one technique so far that you've found to work well? Feel free to enlighten.

Hi Wooha, what I'm finding is that these bull's (apart from the more or less unalterable and ever-fascinating penis size thing) are basically doing simple female mind control stuff that ANY male could do if they just took the TIME and ATTENTION. From all I've read there's no magic, nor do females necessarily find any one male so much super hotter than another, or so very far superior to their existing guy.

It's that bulls probably have a great intuitive understanding of some VERY basic things, like taking time, involving all her senses, giving her the feeling of total concentration on HER alone and NOTHING else... and of course the pure novelty factor. I bet just the simple stuff I've listed covers 90% of the supposed super superior sex that the average new cuck's wife experiences with a bull - who when all's said and done is basically just another guy on the make like all of us. I can at least tell you authoritatively that all these plays have really done a job on my girl.

That said, these books have taught me a LOT of specifics about the important of LABIA massage, involving the PERINEUM, how to reach and use the G SPOT, the psychology of getting any female to SQUIRT (its not just physical), how to reach and manipulate the A SPOT, and a whole lot more. But most of it I now believe is very simple mind games that work very well on women that these bulls have either studied or intuitively understand better than the average lazy work a day cuck. Just my opinion those who know much better please ignore and move on.

I agree with this observation. I've learned from women I have been with that they like it when the male takes control and has confidence in bed. The female wants to be wanted and the male can show that by mock ravishing her. She willingly submits.

So the other night, just as a test of my BYOB campaign, after massaging her and then us fucking like overly caffienated jackrabbits, lying together I casually mentioned "Of course there are people who are properly TRAINED in g spot and trantra massage... I'm not really trained, could be they are more s*******ed than me... " She listened quietly. I said, "Would you ever take a yoni massage from a guy who had real training in it?" "Yes."

Hmmm.

So I continued "In one book I read, the guy said he will remove his clothes if the woman asks him to. If you were being massage by him would you ask him to take his clothes offf?"

"I guess so. I like to feel a manly chest and arms..."

"How about his pants?"

"Well... I might want to feel that pressing on me during the massage."

"He writes about how the penis itself can be used to massage your insides... hitting the g spot. would you want that?"

"Yes. I'm sure I'd enjoy that."

Hmm. So that's where we left it. Back to the drawing board?

Yes, back to the drawing board for you. I can tell you how to hit her g spot while massaging her if you want to try it. I do not know how long your cock is but you will need at least 6 inches to do this. I am leaving for work right now but i will elaborate tonight if you want.
Marc
marc-br549

Marc! My man! Yes, that'll work, as I am 7 inches when fully erect, also she's really small/tight/petite down there (its cute!) so... PLEASE ENLIGHTEN ME! Seriously! Any and all education from you would be GREATLY appreciated as I doggedly persevere on this lonely road of my project 'Be Your Own Bull' (BYOB). And who better to be my (cyber) tutor on that than an actual real-life bull? Thank you.

I'm EAGERLY looking forward to your post tonight.

Okay, first find her g-spot by inserting your finger into her while she is laying on her back and bend your finger upwards torwards her belly button.
About 3 inches in you will find while gently rubbing the walls a nickel-sized rough spot. That is the g-spot.
Then roll her over and massage her while she is on her back. Enter her then have her close her legs and slowly pump up and down at the sharp angle that is needed to hit the g-spot. I mentioned you would need at least 6 inches because this angle will take away about 3 inches because your cock will be running between her butt cheeks.
Have her climax one time like that, then on the second round do the same thing but also pull off the reach-around w/ a well lubed finger and gently circle her clit. She will be going crazy at this point but remember to increase your intensity as her breathing gets more intense too! Listen to her and without her saying a word she will tell you if you are hitting all the right buttons! Key word= Listen!
This technique has never failed and I have had women that most people call sluts go WOW!! Let me know how you do!
marc-br549

FANTASTIC! Just what I wanted, a specific, detailed, clear description of something that works in the practice of an actual bull. I really appreciate your giving that up Marc, it's like a pro magician only very rarely can be prevailed on to cough out a trade secret. This looks like one excellent tool of your trade (though I don't doubt you've a lot more). When I'm back in Japan after Sept 14, back with her in our place there I'm am going to do EXACTLY as you wrote above... [PS I think in this line: "Then roll her over and massage her while she is on her back", you actually meant to write "while she is face-down"; that would fit with all the rest of what you wrote], and then I will give a detailed writeup of how it went for the benefit of the other reluctant not-yet-cucks here who may wish to try a BYOB project like me. We appreciate the pro guidance Marc.

OK wait for it!

Marc, you've been so educational, I wonder if I can push my luck and ask you something else that may also be of interest both to would-be cucks and new-ish bulls as well I would think.

And that is the following:

As I've said in the earlier posts, I've been reading dozens of sex books, "How to please a woman" type of thing, including massage of all kinds, making love, tantra, atmosphere, women's psych, everything. It's all interesting and useful (though your short post just above is the best thing I've yet read for potential bang for the buck). But I'm sensing what I, perhaps stupidly, am feeling is a bit of a contradiction or at least dichotomy in all the advice.

On the one hand, every book says "go slow' "be sensuous, gentle, all senses involved", "ask and listen to her desires" etc. that kind of SOFT type of stuff supposedly gets women so hot and most men are to rough and rushed etc.

Then on the other hand, some of them say "your woman wants an alpha man" "she wants to be TOLD not asked" "sometimes she just wants to be fucked" "take her right up against the wall, roughly, she'll love it"

Well? WHICH IS IT? I know I know "all women are different" but it seems to me that a good bull probably can please pretty much any woman so they must have found the way through the apparent opposites above. I'm asking because I'm so into learning this whole gentle almost spiritual sex massage thing, but I still can't help but suspect that my small cute woman secretly IS turned on by the idea of a more alpha type just plain hot fucking her. One day recently when I tried a position we've never done, that is inherently kind of male dominant and feels a bit rougher, I don't even know why I suddenly tried that, but I could feel on my penis her pussy suddenly got MUCH wetter as I thrusted that way, and she kind of mumred I'm not even sure she meant to say it to me, "yes yes this makes me feel USED..." I was kind of shocked due all my research on the OTHER side of the coin! And normally she'll hardly eveR TALK about sex at all. Does she secretly want a total alpha to just fuck her? Women are obviously mysterious to me, thus asking pro bull's advice here.

Anything practical like the great g spot fucking scenario you taught me above would be greatly appreciated.

You are quite welcome Emery!
You were correct in regards to "then roll her over and massage her on her back".
She will indeed be face down when you perform the massage.
In regards to being slow and sensual versus being rough, i do both. I start out slow and sensual by going down on the woman until she cums at least once if not more depending whether or not she is multi orgasmic or not.
When i enter her i start out slow and slowly intensify the passion while listening to her breathing. As it gets' more intense i usually grip them tight and sometimes i will even bite her on the back of the neck (not too hard). Gripping her tight, but not too rough is the key to showing her your strength but not hurting her.
Every woman is different and i listen to what they tell me when they talk to me about sex.
Sometimes i will get a little too rough and i back off a little, it all depends on how tight of a fit you and this woman are.
Make her feel like she has been taken. I have told them, "once i get you on your back you will be mine". The answer is, "i can see that"!
The advise i am giving you is from me dating many women, not from being a bull. When i am performing for a cpl that is difficult because i have not been allowed/able to talk to the woman much and listen to her. Unlike a woman who you are dating and getting close to having sex with.
I have heard what you have written and in your case your lady wants to be taken. Next time you are with her you are going to blow her mind!!
You asked, WHICH IS IT? Well it is both. Sometimes she will be in the mood to make slow passionate love and sometimes you completely take her! Up against the wall is good when you are doing the latter sometimes too!
marc-br549

I learned a lot from the earlier days when me and my twin sister moved out of the home at 18 yrs old and rented a house together. She had a lot of beautiful girlfriends and we would all go out every weekend to clubs dancing and to football games and parties. I was the only guy w/ 8-9 beautiful women and believe many times they would confide in me about their boyfriends and i would confide in them about the girls i was dating as well.

They would talk to me as if i was one of their girlfriends and i got to know women very well unlike your typical guy who just knows the women he is relaxing with. They would come over or call and we would talk for hours about sex, love and life.
They would even give me advise when i felt that the girl i was dating was playing games w/ me. They were spot-on with their advise!

My sister had a rule that i could not date any of her close friends but i dated a lot of THEIR girlfriends!!

That is where i learned a lot, from listening to women. Not from books.
But alas, that sometimes is the only way to learn when you don't grow up as fortunate as i did!
marc-br549

I'm very grateful Marc for all education received here. I've compiled all into one big study sheet. Even if a woman sooner or later wants or needs another man, that should not stem from laziness or ignorance or ineptness on the part of her main man. If she gets any special thrill from another guy, a bull if you will, I want that to be TOTALLY stemming from the excitement of NEWNESS/FRESHNESS/NAUGHTINESS of the situation alone - NOT due to him knowing something about women or doing something with his penis that I myself could perfectly well have learned or done to her. And you Marc have taken me a long way to that point with all this.

What remains is the fun part ROAD TEST coming up! I'll write up at least one blow-by-blow as soon as I'm back with her in less than 2 weeks.

> I have heard what you have written and in your case your lady wants to be taken

OK then, I guess its coming out in small hints. She's so shy and reticent about sex in general and sex talk in particular, yet in the right moment and mood, in bed, she runs like a waterfall from her small cute pussy and comes like a velvet pulsing steel vise. When I can hit just the right pitch-perfect high C type of note that is. And I admit that the 2nd man talk has sometimes been part of apparently triggering that.

So we'll see and I'll write. Very much thanks mahalo merci etc Marc.

I've kept a secret (from her) correspondence going with one young guy who responded to my earlier meet up site posting (now taken down). He's a good looking well educated well spoken man in his 20's who loves her photos and is very interested in having sex with her. I like him as he's not at all the dominant pushy arrogant conceited type like most of the other responses. He might be her type. So I am still considering...

TO BE CONTINUED

Marc and Hawaii 5 0 and other experienced males whether B or c, here's a photo of her. Sorry I had to mask out her lovely sparky-dark eyes....

Especially you Bull types - would you want to fuck her? Her breasts are tiny like a young teen, not exactly Playboy centerfold material in that way, but all natural of course. And what exactly would you do? She's very small down/in there.

My Japanese wife

Thanks for sharing a pic, she is hot even though you blnked out the eyes!
You asked,,, what would you do to her?
Well, i would do exactly what YOU are going to do when you see her soon!
I cannot wait to hear how many times she came after you perform some newly taught techniques!
marc-br549

Thanks very much Marc. This pic and a few others of her got us 400 responses in 3 days on AFF. Lots of men saying her super small pretty breasts made them crazy. Most of them commented on her eyes being sexy (sorry I had to blank them on this open site). Many responses were rather shockingly detailed, but none as intelligent and educational as your [Marc's] free postings here, much appreciated.

Emery,
It has been some time since you posted.
Please, do tell what happened when you visited your little Asian rose!
marc-br549

Indeed - keep us updated on events

Thank you Marc and others! YES I did everything as directed and she loved it all, extremely much. But have I made one mistake? Thinking to intensity her experience even more, I had bought a dildo, one of the extremely realistic anatomically sculpted kind. It's just a little bigger than real me, I'm about 7 this is 8 and bit wider. But not any kind of Godzilla type of thing. Turns out though she's had small 'rabbit' type of vibe experience, she's never done any insertive type of toy... Well, she got SUPER turned on by that thing, even just by fondling it, and though nervous we tried inserting it. As I've said she's VERY small down there, but she was so turned on that after some pressure *POP* it's big head slipped right in and I slowly drove it home all the way. I would not have thought she could take that thing but NO PROBLEM.

Well, except YES PROBLEM because she went nuts with it completely in her and came wildly saying she felt "used" by it and so on so forth. So now I'm wondering, does she really want a bigger penis and would respond crazily, to the real thing completely in her? I'm not so sure now about my BYOB project. Will issue updates.

While she's undressed get her to talk about fucking total strangers, with direct commentary, and watch how wet her pussy gets. Should become a faucet. Go from there.

I think Country Wall is absolutely correct. That's what's got me worried.

I think deep down you're afraid of having another man make her cum like that and what that would do to your relationship.

Stop being afraid, because she wants you and wants YOU to give her those experiences, most of all.

That having been said, yes she probably would respond crazily to being fucked by a bigger cock. She wants it, and clearly you do too.

Emery, you have done everything right with your beautiful lady. She wants another man and another, bigger cock. But now, it is time to admit it. You want it too. It is time to give her that which you have made her crave. It would be cruel not to. And - most importantly - she has already decided in her mind to take it. She has already done it in fact. All that remains is for you to complete the physicality of the moment. So you do not have to go back and forth in your mind any longer. It is done for her, it just remains to be completed by you.
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