Cassandra and Francis

GH's health must of course always come first. I am sorry to hear that this story was having such a bad effect on his health, and that our comments may have contributed. GH, health is an important concern; I once had to take care of a family member with a health condition that had resulted from bad life choices.

Enjoying real life is always better than enjoying a story. Have a good labor day weekend!

Lisa,
You two seem to have a relationship equal to your stories. I can imagine that this weekend will give GH as much food for thought as he will give you and your lover food for eating.

Stress and compulsion are strange things sometimes, but not usually a good combination. Maybe you could impose a regime on him that only allowed him to post stories that were finished or past some preset point in writing. That way, you could control it and he would never be writing to post for a deadline. Bad for us in the short term of course but good for you and GH.

I'm sure I'm only one of many here that regard GH as very precious. If we do, then I'm sure he's a 1000x more so to you and your family. Look after him Lisa and thanks for letting us into your life to tell us. Peak.

Look forward to your return GH, in the meantime do as your wife orders and get yourself well

Mel x

Get well GH, and thanks again for all of your efforts to bring us all your wonderful stories.

Take care-hopefully there's a golf course somewhere near the North Shore of Lake Superior and Lisa will give you a pass to go play.

TrF2

GH (and Lisa),

Enjoy your vacation (hehehe). I am sure Lisa will enjoy your FULL attention to her needs.

Thank you Lisa for giving your husband some needed R&R. We all wish him well.

Marcus

GH

Get well soon. Don't over do the writing, take your time and relax.

what happened to the old LISAANDMIKEY posts? there are no stories or nothing there anymore except an "a"? someone explain it to me please.

In the past five or six years since my husband and I first started posting on this site, there have been several instances where some rather sad inidividuals ganged up and harrassed one or two of the regular members.

Sadly this bullying behavior was at first left unchecked by the operator of the site. Since then he has intervened and stopped some of this behavior. In those days the site was also much smaller and everyone was much more aware of each other's presence.

These pathetic characters singled out a poster who had become a good friend to both my husband and me. Their bullying powerd her to leave the site.

My husband and I were so disgusted by this event that we removed all of our posts from this site. It was over a year before Mikey returned under the name Goodhusband. He came back in spite of my objection.

He finally convinced me that while there may have been one or two pathetic individuals lurking around the site, it is mostly populated by members who are wonderful people.

Ironically when we started posting at Literotica we encountered a real subculture of bullies. I guess they're everywhere and we just have to ignore them.


Most of our original posts were short narratives and opinions and we have never seen any reamister to try to restore them.

We regret losing "Emily's Story" It was my husband's first story. It was about a college professor who fell in love with and eventually married one of his students. The student returned his love by teasing him, tormenting him, cuckolding him and generally making his life miserable.

My husband and I had just finished reading W. Somerset Maugham's "Of Human Bondage" and you could certainly see it's influence when he wrote the story.

Sadly the story was lost when we shifted computers. We didn't realize it until much later. Mikey wanted to go back and rewrite it and repost it. We couldn't find it and we had no way to resurrect it.

Lisa

LisaandMikey,
thanks for the response. that is to bad about the posts and stories. It is unfortunate that of the thousands of users there are one or two who can ruin a good thing. I am glad you are both back and writing again. the stories are so hot.
i wish my wife was like you and take the plunge i think she would love the lifestyle. she is a beautiful 34 YO Filipina and guys are hitting on her all the time. She is a delivery permister and has had a couple of guys she has delivered to send her texts asking if she had a boyfriend and telling her how beautiful she is. she knows that i frequent this site and of my fantasies but she will not step forward.
It is refreshing to read about your adventures and the stories. Keeps it alive for me since i canot have it in my real world.
thanks to you both for everything you do. Keep GH safe and healthy. I know how it is, i had 2 stents placed last December and i am only 44!

Good luck to you both and know that i support the two of you always.

I've participated over the years in a number of discussion groups on various topics of my interest (gender relation, WWII history, the politics of the post-Sovietic space, languages, literature and poetry, Baltic languages and peoples). One thing I've noticed is that there are all kinds of bad people -- bullies, trolls, etc. -- who are there for all the wrong reamisters and whose only intention seems to be to make other participants feel bad and/or angry.

I suppose we have to learn to ignore them. As they say, freedom of speech comes with one problem: that we end up listening to crazy wackos and aggressive gorillas too, not only to sensible intelligent people with an informed opinion and real points to make. And in internet fora, the aggressive wackos get the same font and format as the normal people, as if they deserved the same respect.

It's a pity, but since I defend freedom of speech, I really don't see how to get rid of them. I ended up just not paying attention anymore. After all, they're usually attention whores anyway; not paying attention is probably the worst we can do to them.

Lisaandmikey, you make me curious about your own permisteral story. It looks as though you have achieved the kind of balance in your lives that is so difficult to attain (if it is at all attainable) for people with cuckold fetishes. I wonder if some day you'd be willing to tell your permisteral story? Of course you don't have to, but I, for one, would greatly appreciate it.

"Non licet omnibus adire Corinthum" (Horace; not everybody can reach Corinth).

Lisa, Mikey, and/or GH - I hadn't checked in for awhile due to being busy and to not seeing any posts by GH when I did look, but I'm very sorry to hear that GH is possibly endangering his health, and glad to hear that you've squashed that behavior Lisa!
I'll miss Cassandra and Francis, but not nearly as much as I'd miss GH if he went on and did something foolish. He's kind of been my inspiration!

You guys are great, and your observations about the ---holes here and the trolls at literotica are right on target. Fortunately there are very few here anymore and lots of really great folks.

Y'all take care, be good, get better, and we'll all watch for your return - WHEN YOU'RE GOOD AND READY!!

stormy

Freedom of speech. Bollocks.

What Lisa was writing about was a deliberate attempt to attack. Like many others, I wrote against it at the time. Attacks like this can be just as injurous as a physical attack. It takes a very strong ego to sustain against permisteral attack, to ignore permisteral comments. Lisa is right, the moderator on this site should have stepped in earlier and simply deleted the comments. This isn't censorship, in the same way that removing graffiti from buildings isn't.

This is a highly permisteral space for a lot of people. It takes courage to make some posts and all genuine writers who speak of their experience or their imaginations, fears and fantasies in the cuckold genre should be supported. Comment attacks are not the same here. They are the litter, the graffiti. Maybe some writing does create powerful emotional reaction. In many ways it's good that it can.

In an ideal world, we would all get a vote on whether comments should be removed. This though, is not a democracy but a benign dictatorship. One permister gets to decide on behalf of the rest of us what stays and what goes. Our moderator. I think his opinion is usually ok these days, judgement has improved.

I am so glad that GH and Lisa decided to stick with us all. The one latin phrase I never want to make at the end of a GH thread is, "Sic transit Gloria mundi."

Peakmb, was this attack so vicious that you couldn't just ignore it? You know, simply not read any of the stuff written by the bullies in case the moderator can't or won't delete it? I understand the temptation to read a post that one knows is vicious (like wanting to touch a wobbling tooth), but isn't it ultimately better to ignore them? After all, the same bullies can always register with a new name and start anew.

"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing"

Edmund Burke

Asehpe,
I hope you didn't think I was attacking you. In response, I couldn't improve on GH there. Burke was of course an englishman, albeit one who spoke up for the colonists is 1775. He was worth listening to in that speech (I wonder what world we would live in Lord North had?) and he's worth listening to in GH's quote.

History teaches lesmisters. In 1939, Britain stood up for Poland, it almost *******ed us, and did so economically, ceding economic dominance in world affairs to the USA. Britain was right to stand up to bullies then. Is it more peaceful to ignore them ? Of course. But at what cost ?

In the end, we will remember not the words of our enemies, but the silence of our friends.

Martin Luther King Jr.

asehpe

I wasn't attacking you either. I would never do that, in the past several months I feel as though you have become a friend.

I understand your position well. You might counter Edmund Burke or Martin Luther King with Mathew 5:39 The Sermon On The Mount. "But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also."

Ignoring a bully can be very effective, but I also believe that there are times that one has to stand up and draw a line.

GH

I understand your point. I've tried tackling bullies in some of these fora (if you ever want to see a vicious bully, go to a forum in one of the post-Soviet countries and just watch what some of the Russians have to say about anything that Eastern European countries claim concerning their own history...), simply because some of the things they were doing and saying were so hurtful and so obviously wrong. But then again, they could simply go on making more and more unfounded claims and vicious permisteral attacks--if your moderator won't block them (which many won't do out of concern for being accused of "censorship"), then what else can you realistically do? In the end, I expressed my opinion, gave my arguments, and maintained interesting conversations with the good people in the fora (there always are many of them), while the bullies kept singing their war mistergs all around us.

I agree that it is sometimes necessary to stand up against bullies. But other than just showing how and why they're wrong, what else can one do? Abstain from a forum where there are interesting people to talk to just because of the surrounding scum? After a while, I gave up warring and concentrated on reading posts from people who had real points to make and real ideas to share.

It's like contemporary American politics, if you will. There are good people with good ideas around, and then there are people like Ann Coulter or Glen Beck. Of course, we point out how terribly wrong they are; but other than that, what can we do? They won't be quiet, no matter how wrong we prove them to be.

By the way, GH, thanks for calling me a friend. I have the impression that you are a very nice permister, and I would be proud of having you as a friend. (The same goes for you, peakmb, by the way.)

I know this story is not finished for various reamisters but it is a truly great story and I thought that it should brought up front again, especially for people that might not have seen it since they joined.

I for one will enjoy re-reading it while GH takes a break to recuperate from his current illness.

This is by far the hottest cuckolding story I have ever read......great work GH

Burke was no more an 'Englishman' than Barack Obama. He was an MP for an English constituency but was born and brought up in Dublin. He certainly didn't have traditional views and opinions that were typical of his class, education and social position.

He was born in Ireland and international in outlook but 'English' he certainly wasn't.

Removed by me.

Removed by me.

If you go back and read Lisa's comments at the end of this story you will note that she "encouraged" me to put "Cassandra and Francis" aside and begin a new story. That story was of course, "Courtesan" which has become the longest story I have ever written.

Lisa encouraged me to put the story aside because I was becoming frustrated with it. The basis of that frustration was that I never created a comprehensive outline for the story and framkly I wasn't exactly sure where it was going. What I did was create some characters that I liked, but forgot to give them a story to tell.

I made the same mistake with "Ginger and Mikey". "Chattel" was my biggest mistake. It was originally a short story written late at night while I was well under the influence. That's when I tend to write my darker stories. If you read the opening to "'chattel" I'm sure you can see what I was talking about. Later I attempted to write an outline for a story that grew out of the opening, but it never really worked. I had had some previous success doing that when I wrote "The Party". That was originally a short story that I extended into a longer story with some success. Eventually I amde the bigger mistake of muddling "Chattel" with the characters from "Sandra and Stevie" and that was a disaster.

Ironically I started "Chattel" during a period fo frustration with "Ginger and Mikey" and "Cassandra and Francis" during a period of frustration with "Chattel".

I recently wrote to another writer here that when attempting a long story, what originates as a wildly exciting endeavor can frequently turn into an arduous chore.

Of all the stories that I have abandoned, this one gets the most requests to finish it. While I have been writing "Courtesan" I have spent some time thinking about where to go with this story and I have some ideas. When I have completed "Courtesan" which willl happen in the very near future, I will sit down and try to write a reamisterable ourline for the conclusion of this story and if I can do that I will come back and finish it.

GH

Wow, talk about a late Christmas present, this is the best ever. I really liked the characters and the story line that you created for this one GH and was hoping that you would eventually come back to it.

I hope your health is continuing to improve and that your able to get out there and enjoy some golf soon. It's still months away for me here in the frozen Northeast. I gotta get myself and the Mrs. to a warmer climate before my bucketlist becomes a moot point.

Take care, my friend. Get better.



TrF2

I left this story because I really didn't feel that it was a very strong outline. I was actually sort of writing it off of the seat of my pants. If I do continue it, it will be as a new thread. The sub story is going to go. That might come back as a story that stands on its own.

Right now I just want to reread it and get a feeling for where this should go. I still have the old outline and I may just try to expand it a little.

I am open to suggestions. PM me if you are so inclined, but no story lines on this thread. That just gets too confusing.

GH

Already getting bored with your "time off" I see! Why am I not surprised??

I would think that the golf course would be singing its siren's misterg...

Actually right now I'm spending all of my time editing and doing a rewrite of Courtesan so I can post it at Lit. Sometimes writing gets too hard and I need a break so I thought I would reread this and try to regain some continuity with it in the hopes after finish the editing of Courtesan I can move back to it.

GH

But yes, I also enjoy writing.

Just thinking