fender412002
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Something else I noticed, recently my wife has been making little half joke comments on the phone as though I were cheating on her. She'll say "I'm on my way home so you better tell your girlfriend to leave" our other similar comments. What's weird is that she used to hate when I would say those kinds of things early in our marriage. She had parents that cheated on each other and hates cheating with a passion. She would tell me she didn't even like to joke about it because it hit too close to home. In fact, I've spent years subtly explaining that when the couple adds partners together, that it is not cheating. Yet here she is now making jokes about cheating. Has she lightened up over time or could she be projecting?
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bpop
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fender412002: Has she lightened up over time or could she be projecting? It's difficult to know. She could be starting to lighten up on the subject, because she's starting to feel like she wants to do it. And that would be a perfectly good way for her to start out. OR she could be thinking about it for herself, and mentally "projecting" those thoughts onto you. That would mean that because she is starting to wonder about it, she is starting to convince herself that you're doing it. Unfortunately, it's quite the opposite result. Keep us posted! xoxoxo Christine |
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I think when we were younger, she was afraid I might. I'm fairly confident she's not afraid anymore. She knows me too well now. I'm not that kind of permister. I'm thinking she's got cheating on her mind.
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Hereby an overview of all LW sessions since 29-03
29-3-2012 Thursday to Friday
31-3-2012 Saturday to Sunday
2-4-2012 Monday to Tuesday
3-4-2012 Tuesday to Wednesday
9-4-2012 Monday to Tuesday
11-4-2012 Wednesday to Thursday
15-4-2012 Sunday to Monday
16-4-2012 Monday to Tuesday
19-4-2012 Thursday to Friday
24-4-2012 Tuesday to Wednesday
25-4-2012 Wednesday to Thursday
1-5-2012 Monday to tuesday
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SquirtKing
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Last 2 nights I aborted the sessions in the beginning because I wasn't sure she was in relax. The rythm of her breathing wasn't the same. In my mind I want to LW but I know also we have to be carefull. Tonight I will try again.
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SquirtKing
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I don't want to spam this topic but I have some additional questions. I read the complete file.
@HEP
First: I read you can use more than 1 triggerword, is that correct?
Second: Can you tell me more how I can introduce the triggerword? I think I found a fine guy on the internet that I showed her. I want that she wants to get a date with this guy. How can I deal with this?
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hephaestus
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SquirtKing
I've been so busy that I have only just seen your post.
Yes no reamister why you can't implant more than one trigger in LW for activating in her when awake.
With regard the fine guy you have found - has she already seen a picture of him - was it a email? Give me some specifics t work with... does she know his name?
It should be as straight forward as telling her in her relax how aroused she feels when she sees this guys picture. That she will have a real urge to want to progress this to meeting him in the flesh.
PS YOUR NOT SPAMMING! Your asking and contributing serious ideas and questions on the topic!
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SquirtKing
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Thanks Hep, I'm so happy with your response. I understand you're busy. No rush of course.
Yes, she has seen a picture of him on a dating site for interracial dates.
In the meantime I whispered: [womans name]If I say [triggerword] you want to fuck the BBC of [name of the black guy of that site].
Can you also tell me more about the way to introduce the triggerword and how to deal with it if you can see on her eyes the trigger is working?
Thanks in advance for your great help!
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hephaestus
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what word are you using as a trigger? because knowing this is necessary for the context in which you can apply the trigger in a way that is covert and isn't in her face. on testing to see if its 'hit the spot' can be difficult because you have to see her eyes fairly closely to see if the eyes make a quick jiggling motion for something like a 10th of a second - supposedly its a confusion between conscious accessing *** thoughts and may be followed with a quietening on her behalf - this is where shutting the fuck up  becomes necessary as she plays with these concepts in mind. https://www.dropbox.com/s/pyayecsve06192n/nwo_3tc_loving_whispers.pdf |
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The triggerword is translated to English "tight". In Dutch "strak". I can use the Dutch word "straks" what is translated in English "later". It is a little bit confusing because it is Dutch vs. English but I hope it is clear Wishing my gf into the IR scene |
hephaestus
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So the word "strak" and "straks" sound so similar in Dutch - assuming without any significant guttural or aspirated sounds between the two? So that they can be mistaken in regular nederland speech?
If so then yes and if so then it gives you a good scope for applying the word more easily in varying circumstances to have the effect without detection of a incompatible word for a given conversation.
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SquirtKing
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Yes, they sound almost the same.
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SquirtKing
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Don't be shocked but my latest session was 7 May. Yesterday I tried to restart but she wasn't deep in relax so tonight I will try again. I hope this doesn't affect the impact. Please advice.
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fender412002
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Last night I hit the lw about an hour before wake up time. This is when rem relax is supposed to be highest. I told her to wear something sexy to work today. I said it three times. She listened to me! She wore a dress that's not typical office wear at all. She was so proud talking about wearing her sexy dress; it was great  I also worked on a trigger word. We'll see how that goes later. I've been asking her to imagine how good a nice sized cock would feel entering her etc. I've also recently added that she should b be proud of her inner slut and be happy that she has a husband that supports her playing with other men. fender |
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My experience has not been as good, unfortunately. After a few days, I noticed that the only thing different that I was getting was hostility at completely unexpected times. It's possible that it's just menopause, since she is dealing with hot flashes, etc, and has been for a few months.
Or it's possible that she has decided somewhere deep inside that she believes in monogamy, and that the only way to follow up on suggestions is to break up our relationship. Obviously that's not at all what I would like to have happen.
I don't think that's what's going on, though. She says that she doesn't have any objection to the idea of relaxing with someone else, just that she's too busy right now to do it. Plus, she's done it in the past a couple of times, and has known (consciously, I mean) that I would like her to start dating again.
So for now, I'm waiting for things to settle down a bit here on the home front.
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hephaestus
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I think both you and us to have got to accept this isn't right for your wife right now.
Especially considering the menopause perhaps just too much is going on and the surge and changes to hormones is probably just not conducive with seduction right now.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/pyayecsve06192n/nwo_3tc_loving_whispers.pdf
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bpop
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hephaestus,
Sadly, I think that you are right.
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hephaestus
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bpop
I think the turmoil of menopause has got to settle first and I haven't a clue on how to advise on that. I sometimes wonder if the health professionals have much of a grasp on that either!
I wish you future success and happiness with whatever you do and decide on bpop.
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bpop
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I think you're right about that, hephaestus.
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fender412002
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Maybe you can whisper that she is a beautiful woman that any man would want. Focus on complementing her feminine traits. Let her know that theres nothing like a big hard cock inside her to remind her that she will always be a woman.
Just my two cents. Best of luck.
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bpop
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Thanks for the suggestions. For now, I think I'll just STFU, if you know what I mean.
But I will definitely keep that in mind for the future.
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SquirtKing
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I think my wife is "watching" different to BBC pictures and it seems I'm on a turning point.
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Hep
I did a lot of sessions now. Below you find an overview. I want to step up to a new stage.
I try to get a objectively view about the progress.
I notice it is no tabboo anymore to talk about BBC's. She is watching to BBC's on the computer too when I'm watching IR porn. Usually she should have turned here eyes of the computer.
I have contact with some guys with BBC's that have a lot of patience. But how can I take that step.
Sometimes I'm asking her to send a message to them and ask them for a take. Than she refused. I didn't use the triggerword than so probably I need to do that first.
When I do a whispersession, most time I start to tell her to dream about BBC's and fantasize how she is getting fucked by them and I telling her that she wants to get fucked by BBC's from now. Then I start with the words "[name] if I say the word [triggerword] you want to get fucked by a BBC".
29-3-2012 Thursday to Friday 35 minutes
2-4-2012 Monday to Tuesday 15 minutes
3-4-2012 Tuesday to Wednesday 15 minutes
9-4-2012 Monday to Tuesday 20 minutes
11-4-2012 Wednesday to Thursday 20 minutes
15-4-2012 Sunday to Monday 20 minutes
16-4-2012 Monday to Tuesday 30 minutes
19-4-2012 Thursday to Friday 25 minutes
24-4-2012 Tuesday to Wednesday 30 minutes
25-4-2012 Wednesday to Thursday 35 minutes
1-5-2012 Monday to tuesday 15 minutes
4-5-2012 Friday to Saturday 15 minutes
6-5-2012 Sunday to Monday 10 minutes
7-5-2012 Monday to Tuesday 30 minutes
18-5-2012 Friday to Saturday 20 minutes
21-5-2012 Monday to Tuesday 30 minutes
22-5-2012 Tuesday to Wednesday 20 minutes
24-5-2012 Thursday to Friday 5 - 10 minutes
Summary
1. Do I have the right approach?
2. Does it matter if I start a session with a part about dreaming about BBC's and later the sentence "when I say [triggerword] etc.?
3. How can you level up to a new stage and go for real.
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hephaestus
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SQUIRTKING
I think thats the point you describe earlier 'the turning point'. That is the effect of creating the 'tipping point'.
No shouldn't mater at all - introducing a particular place - like somewhere black guys hangout at for dancing and socialising and getting her mind engaged in going along to socialise and have fun and dance has certainly worked for others before now.
My wife just started coming out with jokes about my size and virile hung black men and it was from that point I introduced her openly to the idea of going up to London to sample the locals. But I had already laid all the ground work out with dreams and relaxing her into the concept of enjoying black men in our marriage.
I think you should perhaps set up a 'chance meeting' at a bar / club / somewhere to dance and engage her physically with the particular guy you want her to be with?
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Hephaestus: Did you wife go and sampel soem big black cock after your encouragment?
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hephaestus
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brainbox1 I apologise to everyone else who already read my lament on page 3.... hephaestus: Fender I dunno should I tell you I'm a limey, argh I guess it's best out there! As to wife well we were doing so well up until some total dumb ass (arse) damaged her back. I'd put in all the night hours, done all the suggestion - got her to think it's all her own idea that ho hum I'd go along with and then decided I'd like, picked out a few different potential fuck buddies, organised a hotel, organised tester first meets in London - far enough away from our neighbo(u)rhood all backed up with huge doses of Loving Whispers for engaging her mind for the coming event.... ..I won't go into specifics how her back was injured for her as anyone who know us might put two and two together. To say I was disappointed .... well I was fucking livid because of her back being hurt L4-L5 prolapsed disc injury with sciatica, caused her problems at work and at home and *******ed IR fun dead! So over a year down the line and there’s been marked improvements but nowhere near good enough for what I'd like to see her doing and only just good enough for her work. But when her back was injured and she came home - I saw a real look of total disappointment thinking she wouldn’t be well enough to go to London - she looked like she was grieving and had experienced a loss! This was before realising how serious her back was and how the initial injury continued to worsen after that initial day. I am still amazed just how much she was disappointed over not getting the pounding she was so looking forward- it did make me realise that the idea really had become as much her idea as it was originally mine. What really got me was that we'd already agreed prior that we'd only look at this properly once the kids were old enough and ugly enough to look after themselves and so I'd already experienced a few years delay between my first suggestion taking root and then having to redo much of my original suggestion to get her back on desire. Only to have some fuckwit do what he did. Anyway I mustn't dwell on it and just look to a new future where she will regain enough fitness that we can do all the things we want to do. As to Loving Whispers - I had a thread on another forum and because of her injury I did start letting my input slide there. I know it's wrong of me but I kind of resented other people getting the breakthroughs and then clearing off the threads and out of contact from my email (I had been giving a lot of private tuition - which was stupid as it then didn't reach the general users eye). I suppose it just got me down every time I had to relive thinking about just how close I’d come and seeing others using Loving Whispers to have achieved that same desire. I did ask people on there to start propagating the idea out to other forums and connecting with Loving Whisper virgins so that it would take the burden of responsibility for it off my shoulders as frankly I started feeling I’d created a monster that was too big for just me to go spouting about its potential. The hyperlink is visible to registered members only!
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HepHow is it going with the recovery, I almost forgot. Appologies for that  Since 24 May I did my latest session tonight. It is a quite bussy time at work and I need my relax. Wishing my gf into the IR scene
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My biggest hurdle to this is that she seems to be a light relaxer and to wake or change her breathing patterns after just a couple of whispers. Any suggestions?
I don't know if it can cause major changes in her actions, but it sure seems to me that it does affect her actions within the bounds of her comfort zone.
I will keep trying.
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hephaestus
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No problem, things moving slowly with her recovery but going in the right direction!
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Light relax is a serious problem for any chance of getting your wife 'all the way' using the method and techniques.
Moving her by very small steps to making her less uptight and conservative by giving suggestion that should it be heard seems so insignificant to be almost meaningless - suggestion like "you will want to communicate your sexual desires more openly and freely to me" - this, should you be found out, can be immediately turned back on her with saying how uptight you feel she is creating a barrier in your sex lives and how damaging that could be to your relationship. Alternatively if caught out with these small shifting suggestions you could relate a story about a made up friend from work who has had so many issues with his wife who is so conservative / uptight that it ruined their relationship - this can be even better achieved by saying about a friend at work who was telling you about his friend 'mike' who had this issue..... this kind of removing the permister further away misdirects any argumentative situation that might develop from a more direct approach.
Using the 'relax talking' approach may also help remove some of the sting from a sudden awakened awareness.
Reading some of swhwwfubbbd's posts on the subject of his wife and her use of relaxing tablets may offer perhaps the only hope with your beautiful brunette wife using 'loving whispers' in its raw state.
I know that you must feel massively frustrated knowing that it actually does have a significant effect in the small doses you have managed to suggest to her and yet know the light relax puts you so far from success.
Your wife looks lovely and can only imagine you must desperately want to see her in the arms of a well-hung and experienced alpha to recieve and relieve years of repression and denial of her natural sexuality.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/pyayecsve06192n/nwo_3tc_loving_whispers.pdf
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About a week ago started talking to wife during her relax about her taking a black bull in front of me. She was in heavy relax based on breathing, and I spoke in low but regular voice. Much like talking about a shopping list. I was a bit sceptical of this method at first, but after just one week wife is now regularly talking about BBC during sex. Previously she rarely talked about her fantasies, but the past week is constantly talking about having a BBC particularly as she is about to cum.
Haven’t seen fantasy become reality yet, but will keep you updated. Also to see if it’s just coincidence or not I’ll start talking about two guys and Arab guys while she relaxs (we both work in Middle East, so plenty of locals hitting on her) and see what happens.
Really starting to think this method works
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